Hi Cary,
Something new is happening and I honestly feel like I’m in a corner.
Politically I am liberal. I am also atheist. And I consider myself a very tolerant and accepting person.
I will, for example accept that your favorite flavor of ice cream is vanilla, and that you say you love it, while mine is tiramisu. But, if you say vanilla is absolutely, without a doubt the best flavor, not to mention extremely healthy, I feel like I need to call you out on that, because there is no truth to any of that. At best, in your opinion, the best flavor is vanilla, but it’s not an absolute.
In other words, we all have the right to our opinions, but not to our own facts.
But when it comes to ice cream, who cares? Its just ice cream, so I would not say anything. In that scenario I would say something like “Yeah, I like vanilla too sometimes”, and let it go. Again it’s just ice cream.
But politics is different. Global warming its different. Civil rights is different.
As a harmless example, recently, a member of the family posted a photo of George Washington with a quote that he supposedly said, which was in support of “stand your ground” type gun laws.
With the type of English it was written alone, I knew it was fake. But I did my research anyway, and sure enough, that quote was one of the top-5 fake George Washington quotes being circulated around.
Well, this family member posted it and wrote “Amen, George Washington”.
In other words, it was a kind of endorsement by George Washington. To her, because George Washington said that, it validated her opinion that we should all gave guns.
But of course, it’s a fake endorsement. And to me that is extremely dangerous. Extremely!
So it was the first time I replied … I replied by saying that George Washington did not say that, and I referred her to the sources which confirmed that was true.
She replied by saying that it didn’t matter, because she agrees with that statement anyway.
So I replied by saying that I had no issue with whether or not she agrees with the statement, but rather, I had an issue with her falsely saying George Washington did.
It sends the wrong message. It’s the kind of tactic where people try to rewrite history for political gain. It’s a slippery dangerous slope, etc.
And it ended there. She had no reply.
But since then Ive been called a radical and extremist, and that I am “just like them.”
If someone brings up in discussion a political theme and I disagree with it, I usually try to find the root source and see if it’s true or not. “What if I’m wrong?” I think, but if I’m not, then I say so. But I won’t agree and agree and agree with someone who keeps saying things that are not true.
The more passionate they become, I reciprocate.
Marco Rubio, for example, recently asked on national TV why no one talked about bomb control after San Bernardino. Well, the reason is because we already have bomb control, so it’s not the issue. The lack of gun laws is. But no one called him out on that (not many anyway).
When I brought that up one night with some Republican friends, they called me radical!
What’s worse is that my family, who are like-minded politically, said I was being radical too, that I should just let it go.
And finally, we had set up a lunch date with what would have been new friends. They seem nice enough. But then we found out we are polar opposites on many issues such as politics, religion, even civil rights wise.
But the lunch was cancelled. They couldn’t make it. And I said out loud that maybe that was a sign, even though I don’t believe in “signs”, and that we should just let it be.
Why even start a friendship with these people if we already know we disagree on so many things.
I though I was being pragmatic for both parties. But my wife thinks that’s radical and extreme.
And maybe in a certain way it is, but in this case, is it wrong?
So what do you think? I’ve given some different examples. Maybe you have some advice that broadly applies?
Actually, I’ve been thinking maybe the problem with liberals (at least for the political examples), is that we *should* be more radical. And not such pushovers.
There are no Rush Limbaugh type liberals and maybe we need some?
Maybe you can offer some mechanisms or tricks to keep me from talking at all?
Sincerely,
I-think-I’m-a-radical-but-maybe-that’s-OK?
Dear People Think I’m A Radical,
I suggest you stop trying to talk to people who won’t abide by the most fundamental rules of civil discourse and instead, find meaningful work on issues you care about. Donate money and time to efforts that you think are good. If you can get a job in advocacy or political research, do it.
There is real work to be done.
Seriously. This could be your moment, right here, where you make a big, life-changing decision. It will take work. You will have to begin a five-year or ten-year plan. But I sense that you are fairly young. Pick the issue that is most important to you–global climate change, civil rights, public education, media–and make a commitment to work in that area from now on. You may have to start small. It may have to be a volunteer role and not a job. But if you search your heart for the area that is most vital to you, where you can do some good, and begin your outreach and research in that area, and commit to it, and keep at it, your life will improve. If you begin as a volunteer it may turn into a career. Or not.
Either way, when you hear people talking crazy you can let it go because you know you are doing your part. You can say to yourself that every breath wasted on fruitless conflict is a breath that could be better spent in your chosen field of endeavor.
Get to work. That’s my advice.
But, on a personal note, I will agree that it actually does not seem to matter to a lot of folks whether something is true or not, and I find that disturbing and scary. I find it so disturbing and scary that I have left the country.
The joke is, I left America because the politics were too crazy, and went to Italy.
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And how are the politics in Italy? Berlusconi was quite a kick! Maybe Italy is less crowded and more sensual. That would be nice.
Initially I was distracted by the vanilla and tiramisu comparison. I thought vanilla is an ice cream flavor, but tiramisu is a dessert made with espresso, lady fingers and mascarpone cheese. Then I realized these flavors, or almost any flavor, can be used for ice cream. It’s almost a metaphor for the entire topic as many of today’s issues appear one way, but must be examined carefully to find the truth.
I like your suggestion for action, but with respect to dealing with others, there are levels of engagement we can use in various circumstances. Sometimes I’m up for a long winded debate and other times my emotional energy is low and I hold back. Typically I do not believe close minded people are considering my thoughts anyway, so I do what’s best for me; what interests me, what entertains me, what satisfies me.
This does not address the letter writer’s concern. You tell him to get active on political issues but he is writing for advice on how to handle bone-headed people.
The way to handle bone-heads is to pick your battles, but not to just simply disengage entirely. It is appropriate to point out facts but not in every single situation.
And yes, letter writer is correct that avoiding making friends with people who you know you will butt heads with is a good idea.
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Yes, excellent advice.
And I have a phrase for the type of people about whom LW is talking: they don’t let facts get in the way of their opinion.
BTW Rubio’s statement may not have been a lie, if he presented it as a question. In that case, it was merely a question and the answer was “it has been discussed.” I’ve seen politicians do that – ask a question when they know the answer and it’s one their constituency doesn’t like so they don’t quit talking long enough for it to be answered.
But there is a philosphical issue with this – when one implies via a question or an out of context but factual statement, does that qualify as a lie?
I’m interested in others’ insights.
Very useful, very poignant, very practical advice which serves both the letter writer and the world.
Thank you.