My friends talk my ear off and don’t listen to me

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Dear reader,

After last week’s column about emotional pain and suicide I wanted to write a nice lighthearted column. So I looked for a nice, lighthearted letter like I used to get sometimes at Salon. Couldn’t find one. Just people in deep pain. All over the world, people in pain, uncomfortable, forced to change, give up routines, give up comforts, face fragility,  precariousness, lack of control, randomness, capriciousness of nature.

Wow.

This is the most lighthearted letter I could find and it’s not all that lighthearted. It is about being tortured by your friends.

I do want to answer the darker, harder letters, and I will, but not just yet. I can’t. Not yet, not another heartbreaking letter, not just yet. (Also, I was not able to produce an audio of that column; it was just too dark. But I will produce audio for this one.)

The following is a problem with a solution. It might not be an easy, comfortable solution, and it might end some friendships, but it is a solution.

Dear Cary,

Why do I attract friends and romantic partners who are verbose, who talk nonstop where I can barely get a word in edgewise? Doesn’t this show little regard for my well-being, let alone the desire to get to know ME?

Let me give you a couple of examples. Early in our so-called courtship, a former partner would call, usually late in the evening when I was dead-tired. Often I was in the bed. After all, I did have to work the next morning. I recall that much of what he droned on about was of no surprise, interest, or consequence to me. But I am polite, so I would listen. And, I would fall asleep during these “conversations” only to wake up to his voice going on and on and on! The first time this happened, I was horrified. How rude of me. Anyway, I couldn’t believe that he hadn’t detected that I was not conscious and awake during parts of his monologue.

More recently, but still a long time ago, a former partner contacted me. He wanted to FaceTime, of all things. I suppose I was curious, so I agreed. Briefly, we exchanged the usual banalities. “It’s been a long time.” “You look good.” And, then he proceeded to talk at me for nearly two and half hours. Looking at me. On FaceTime. Where he could witness my growing boredom, then irritation, then disgust, as he monopolized the entire conversation. It went that long because I wanted to see how long he would talk without acknowledging me as a living, sentient being. I don’t remember how, but I managed to end his monologue with raised blood pressure and anger at myself for agreeing to the call in the first place.

It’s the same with many of my friends. They really are my friends. I love them very much. Over the years, I have acquired a small circle of generally lovely beings from all walks of life­­-­-unemployed, ultra-professional, atheists, religious, black, white, male, female, relatively young and definitely old. But I find that I do most of the listening. I know much more about them than they know about me, because I am usually listening to them tell me about their lives.

At those rare moments when they are actually listening to me, what kills me is when they say, “I didn’t know that about you!” Like I was intentionally keeping something from them. Or, “Wow, why didn’t you tell me?” It just kills me.

During this pandemic, it is not the time to avoid friends. I find that I have to schedule some of my friends because I know it’s going to be a long conversation. And, guess what? They talk even more! Understandably. We’re in the midst of a scary pandemic. I can’t win.

So, Cary. What’s up with all this? Your advice will be most appreciated.

The Listener

Dear Listener,

Well, I do have a suggestion.

I suggest that you be unusually honest and direct.

What I suggest may sound rude. I think being honest with a friend is not rude. What I am really thinking about is intimacy: allowing someone to know you, including stuff you’re not proud of. Like that you feel you’re being walked on and not heard and you want to stop that and that means you have to ask for something that you’re afraid to ask for.

You may think people should just know. And maybe they should. But they don’t. If they did, well, none of this would be happening.

This is your chance to enlighten them.

Let’s subject this friendship to the Friendship Stress Test! Let’s see how it holds up under a little stress. Let’s see if the friendship can handle a little honesty!

Here are some things you might say:

1) “I have to tell you something. I really need for you to listen to me. Just let me talk for a few minutes.”

2) “I want you to do something for me: Ask me a question about myself and then let me talk, and listen to me.”

3) “I need for you to listen to me for a while. I just need to talk and have you shut up and listen. Can you do that?”

These are mild, woo-woo things. They’re not very confrontational and they don’t even address the selfish, entitled, bullheaded behavior that is actually irritating you. The following questions are more confrontational.

4) “Excuse me. Listen to me. Do you know how long you have been talking without asking me a single question? I have been timing you, and it’s now [fill in the blank] minutes you’ve been talking nonstop.”

After making this statement, it is advised to just be quiet and see what happens. The person will probably say something. It will be interesting to find out what.

5) “Hey. We’ve known each other a long time. I like you and I want to stay friends. So I would like to say something to you that you might not like: You don’t listen to me enough.”

6) “Hey! I’m dying of cancer!”

Well, that last suggestion might be in bad taste. But it’s worth a try, just to see what the person says. You would have to explain that no, you’re not actually dying of cancer, you’re dying of boredom.

These suggestions require “getting out of your comfort zone.” But your comfort zone doesn’t seem all that comfortable. In fact it seems more like your torture zone. You’re  being tortured but don’t feel it’s OK to complain.

And now look what happens, I get up to have a coffee and wouldn’t you know it, I imagine a longer conversation, a kind of dialog, like in a play:

“Hey, you like me, right?”

“Sure.”

“You consider me a friend right? I’m not perfect, but I’m a good friend, right?”

“Right.”

“So good friends are supposed to be able to tell each other things they wouldn’t tell everyone, right? That’s what intimacy is about, right?”

“Um, right.”

“And sometimes what a good friend tells a good friend might be a little uncomfortable, right?”

“Well, not sure where you’re going with this but OK.”

“So, where I’m going with this is that there is this pattern in my friendships that is bothering me and I am starting with you—because I trust you—to see if I can change this.”

“Well, OK, but as I was saying, the other day I go down to the grocery store I always go to, you know, and I park carefully, and I get out of the car with my bag, I carry my own grocery store bag because I don’t like to add to the landfill and also because I like my own grocery store bag, it’s stronger and holds more and I’m not afraid it will burst like the cheap plastic ones they give you at the store, and I go into the store to get my box of Wheaties and they have these two boxes with different graphics on them, and I’m not sure which one is the right one, which is more fresh, and I can’t read the labels with the manufacture date, they’re in some kind of code, I’m just not sure about the whole thing, I think it’s the same product but I’m not sure so, to make a long story short … I go walking around to find a stock clerk to ask him and …”

“That’s what I’m talking about! You’re doing it!”

“What?”

“You’re telling me boring trivial shit that I’m supposed to listen to and you’re not listening to me!”

“I am? I mean, I’m not?”

“You are! You’re not! That’s what I mean.”

“Oh.”

And then, just take it from there. Piece o’ cake.

Friends are supposed to listen to you. It’s in the friend job description.

Cary T.

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  • I used to be like this.

    I only realised how bad I had allowed (yes me!) it to become when I was going through a divorce and the inequality of listening to talking ratio became unbearable.

    I had one friend, a ‘good friend’ that’s what we would have called each other, who listened to me for 15 minutes total (with no questions). That’s 15 minutes total for a divorce start to finish, but she talked to and at me for many multiples of hours about her temperamental dishwasher (and it was never really broken, it still washed the dishes!). Substitute ‘her children’, ‘her dog’, ‘her boring husband’ … for ‘her temperamental dishwasher’ to see the long term pattern.

    It was an extreme wakeup call. I was a conversation doormat and only I could take myself off the floor.

    A lot changed. Many friendships ended. Many ‘good friends’ disappeared. They couldn’t do listening. They didn’t enjoy the change. I respected that, but i couldn’t unlearn that I needed to be listened, so we couldn’t stay friends, or perhaps, more accurately, become friends.

    What is a friend anyways? Someone who is interested in us and our life. Someone we share common interests, values with.

    People come in and out of our lives. That’s how it is.

    I remember at the time I got a lot out of this blog post.

    http://www.afterpsychotherapy.com/toilet-function-of-friendship/

    Judging by the number of comments on it, us listeners are not alone.

    Flush the toilet, The Listener, and see what happens.

    • Gosh this sounds so spot on! And I had this same issue with MY SISTER! I was going through a divorce and couldn’t continue being silent while she talked my ear off for hours about guys that never even committed to her! I don’t know what to do except end talking to her because I’ve begged and screamed so
      loud that the neighbors hear me ask her to listen to me for once! I can’t keep listening… my ears are bleeding and my soul is dying.

  • I think it was Jane Austen who wrote that: “most people prefer talking to listening.” But this person’s situation seems to have got right out of hand.

    The LW might need to make the effort to talk more. If someone is stubbornly silent, the other person in a conversation can feel obliged to speak. I wonder about that, because of the comments to the effect of “I didn’t know that about you.” Maybe a more active policy about making announcements is in order.

    I myself have had friends who just talked at me, interrupted if I was talking about myself, and needed attention all the time. One ends up as an unpaid counsellor, passively receiving their conversations. But, unlike the LW’s friends, these were not “lovely people”. They were rather flawed people, whom I was obliged to shed as the friendship was one-sided and unrewarding. In my experience, there are only occasional people like that – imagine having a whole pack of them! Awful.

    • Well the person normally talking could ASK the usual listener questions. My sister will talk my ear off whether or not I ask questions. If she lets me talk she’ll interrupt me to talk about herself rather than ask me questions.

  • Lol and also :-(.
    I’m one of those people who can talk too much. Definitely not about trivial things but still. To improve, some years ago I started answering their opening question with one of my own to make sure they get their fair share of talking. And you know what? The flood gates open! It’s kind of hilarious but also sad. Now I go in with the assumption that people aren’t interested. But I’m not sure that’s true. Could it be that by asking a question instead of answering theirs I signal that I’m private? Hmm, something to think about. As for the LW, could something nice they’re doing have the unintended consequence of being too encouraging? Maybe they’re famous for their patient listening and they don’t know it! I definitely think it can’t hurt to at least say, I’m happy to listen to you and it would be so great if you could spend a little more time in our conversations listening to me. Hey, I’m going to try that myself. I already have someone in mind. Hahaha.

  • Oh, I love this column, it is deep and funny at the same time, just like your columns at saloon.com. (But I also like the darker, more serious ones). I am glad you are back to writing the columns. And I am wondering why, being subscribed to your newsletter I wasn´t informed about this column.? I thought you hadn´t written one these last 2 weeks and am glad I decided to check the website and saw that I had missed one.
    Keep writing, please

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