How to shut up an obnoxious wedding guest — when you’re the bride

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Dear Cary,

My wedding is coming up.

But I am dreading having my self-absorbed, flirty family member be present at my big day (at my mother’s insistence). She is already invited, so that cannot be changed. In the past, she has flirted with my boyfriend (now fiancé), and demonstrated her appreciation of him (kiss on the lips goodbye, ongoing physical contact, in conversation, as well as trying to friend him on Facebook immediately after meeting him. p.s.: Without even asking me). She is an “alpha” personality type and thinks that her behavior and life experience is “fascinating” and worthy of attention.

Since that initial meeting, I have avoided her. That was over a year ago. I don’t fear abandonment, that she will “take” my boyfriend or he will fall for her, but I do worry about how she gets so close and so intense, focusing like a laser on the men in the room and trying to create private, inappropriate flirting and it grosses me out.

Even though she has a boyfriend, he is mousy and retiring, the peahen to her peacock. She tries to create this “jet setter” facade, someone who’s always on the go; trumped-up professional responsibility and success; or someone who always knows the latest and greatest. She even repeats compliments unknown third parties paid her (re: looks or physical ability). Every time I meet her, she always begins our conversation with, “Just got back from…” It feels real pretentious.

Even though we are family, she is not what I would describe as loving or tender with me. I sincerely find her advances upsetting and disrespectful. Growing up, I vividly remember how she has flirted with friends of the family, talked about sexual topics — and always alone in the company of someone’s husband or boyfriend. And always there was this tone of defiance to raise taboo subjects. One time, I remember her telling my father that she and her [then] boyfriend used porn [of women] and…. why they used it. It turns my stomach to recall how every man in the room had bated breath with each pronouncement she made. She was loving it. Gross. Needy. Her conversation struck me as distasteful even then, young adult though I was.

Since those days, she has also crossed the line with other partners in our family. When the women reproached her for her behavior, including reaching out exclusively to the men, or disregarding wives in favor of their husbands, her response was that they had a problem, not her. She definitely wasn’t open to “touchy- feely” exploration of their concerns or her own behavior/motivation. She is very unemotional that way. In the end, she claimed not to be interested in the men she flirted with. But I notice that the more modest members of our family (i.e. in terms of looks, “career success,” etc.) don’t seem to have this problem of her unwanted attention. In short, she focuses on some members who have her “currency” (money, lifestyle) while she barely acknowledges others.

In the past, my boyfriend’s head was turned by this behavior (we had just begun dating when they met). Damn him! He even flirted back. Since then, he admits that she was interesting to talk with, but asserts that he has no interest in her and that this is our day. He is very clear and strong about who he is marrying and who he loves.

Nonetheless, I still feel tense, and torn about what I should do.

Cary, can you share some sage advice to help me gain balance and perspective?

Help!

Upstaged

Dear Upstaged,

Ignore her.

How? How do you ignore her? In basically two ways. One, don’t react or respond or try to change the situation. If she is in a room and all the focus in the room is on her, let it be. If you don’t like it then get out of the room. Do not attempt to take the attention that should rightly be yours. Let it go. Excuse yourself. If you are talking and she appears and dominates the conversation, do not engage with her directly other than in a formal, or even icy way. Basically just don’t react to her. As you draw back and fail to react, notice what you are wanting in the moment. Are you wanting her to acknowledge you? Are you wanting praise and attention? Just notice that, and notice that you don’t need these things. You are fine as you are. It is your day. You have the love of your fiancé and your family and friends. You have your whole life opening up in front of you. You have permission, on this day, to enjoy yourself.

But how do you actually not react? It’s easier said than done. The best way is not to struggle with your reactions and try to shut them down but simply find something else to focus on. If she is in the room, find something that needs to be done elsewhere. Ask someone to come with you and exit the room. If she asks you a question, pretend not to understand, or promise her an answer later, or send her to someone else for an answer. Obfuscate. Do not engage with her. Put up a smoke screen. Delete her from your mental screen. Withdraw into yourself and redirect your attention to those people and activities with which you feel strong and safe.

That is my suggested approach. Now, you might find yourself resisting this, as though it’s not right. So here is something sort of “meta” about this. In a larger sense, this is about getting in touch with your self-protective instincts; it is about a good kind of social aggression. It is about recognizing that you don’t have to be polite all the time. You don’t have to treat people as though they were your friend. You can cut people off and you can refuse to engage. It doesn’t have to be done overtly, i.e. you don’t have to announce through a bullhorn, “I hereby refuse to engage with you because you are a narcissistic pest and you suck the air out of the room.” You can just firmly refuse to engage.

If such behavior is new to you then practice it. Try when you are out in public not smiling and nodding and agreeing. Try giving the cold shoulder. Watch how people respond. Take note of the fact that women are socialized to be kind and polite and smiley-face but you don’t have to be. You can project toughness. If it’s hard to practice this toughness on people, start with dogs. Dogs understand body language. If you lean down and smile and talk in a  high voice the dog will come and get in your face. If you cross your arms, plant your feet, look away from the dog and project an air of “I’m not interested,” most of the time the dog will not engage. That’s what you want. You want to project an air of non-engagement. It’s the only language some people understand.

Work on it. Be just a little meaner. It’ll help you survive.

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19 comments

  • Write more, thats all I have to say. Literally, it seems
    as though you relied on the video to make your point. You obviously know what youre talking
    about, why throw away your intelligence on just posting videos to your
    site when you could be giving us something informative to read?

  • I like Cary’s advice. But I think the idea of assigning a “handler” is also prudent. Maybe even find a few who could distract the needy relative when she starts getting in the way.

    In addition, the bride should tell her groom what she wants him to do when engaged by this aggressive woman. Say, “oops, I see my True Love needs me” and walk away? Say, “I’m really not interested right now” and go back to his bride? Say, “Back off gal”? Because above all else, it’s important to the bride what her groom does, especially on this day.

    Best of luck, LW.

  • Cary, since you’re here reading and chatting sometimes… I’m reading a book you recommended some time ago on SYA, Care of The Soul by Thomas Moore. Really enjoying it. At one point he’s discussing Oscar Wilde’s De Profundis and he makes this extraordinary statement about the thieves on the cross with Jesus: “They may be portraying the difficult truth that in order to become wealthy in soul one sometimes has to steal, forcefully and darkly, from the resevoir of wealth.” Woo! I’m trying to get my head around that. Should we be out robbing banks? Especially us writers who find it difficult to get a stake in the material world. OTOH I live in a country that is being destroyed by the thieving mindset. What to think… should we be dusting off the balaclavas?

  • This is a tricky one, isn’t it? It seems to me Cary’s advice is calling for the bride-to-be to practice, what sometimes is referred to as, mastery of the self. What a day to start THAT! But at least, the LW has a very good description here for how to do get started. I’m also thinking that, if this is not a random universe, as I hope it isn’t, the LW’s soul/spirit might be asking to do this work and has helped to co-create this circumstance to do just that. It’s a problem, but, as with all problems, it’s an opportunity, too.

    On another note, love the Donate button. Maybe adding Paypal could make it easier for some of us. Also making the info populate automatically would make it go more quickly. Maybe there’s an easy way to do that?

  • I might be the only one, but I totally agree with CT’s advice… It’s perfect. Ignore her. Find other things to focus on. I want to add that I think that going to the effort of uninviting her creates drama that is all about her… the very opposite of what you want on a day that’s supposed to be about you.

  • I would also be tempted to uninvite her… and it might even be the best idea. BUT I think you should instead try to recruit her to your side.

    I’d have a talk with you and say, “Let me be honest… I’m worrying about your upstaging me and the simplest way to prevent that would be not to invite you. I don’t want to do that – so how can we work together to make this work?”

    • Damn, Tom, that would be the mature thing to do! Thus it would never have occurred to me. 🙂 I just know that, for me, the thought that she MIGHT upstage me would cause me to fixate on her to the detriment of my Joyous Day.

  • Hello Cary!

    I am so glad to see that you and your brilliant column are back! I really, really missed your daily insight and advice.

    I do hope that the old comment format gets revitalized, with the great gang of great commenters who posted thoughtful mini-essays in response to the topics of the day. A lot of the spirit was lost when the Salon site switched to the new format–too much snark and trivial internal chit-chat rather than insightful discussion.

    All the best to you and your new column!

    –SVS-NS

    Oh, P.S: I can’t really comment too much on today’s letter, other than to say that the bride might want to either uninvite the obnoxious relative, but if that is too extreme, she should take heart in the fact that a lot of people have a really terrible relative or two, and EVERYBODY knows what they are all about, so if the obnoxious whatever-she-is “has” to be there, trust me, everyone will already know that she is a classless boor, and that her behaviour in no way reflects who you are.

    All the best to you and your family on your wedding day!

  • Well, thanks for your thoughts on this. I could be wrong. But my concern is that, well, if this is the letter writer’s sister — curiously, she doesn’t say what kind of relative the person is — and she disinvites her to the wedding, isn’t that kind of a big deal? I mean, isn’t that kind of a family scandal, a scar on the relationship?
    Maybe this is an old-fashioned idea, but isn’t one purpose of a wedding to bring a family together and cement relations? Isn’t a wedding a situation where people come together even if they’re not totally fond of one another, and for that one day try to coexist? In honor of the couple? And the couple, likewise is a little forbearing? Or am I on a different planet?
    Anyway, I hope the letter writer will consider the long-term consequences of throwing this person out of the wedding. Maybe she could assign this person a handler? How about that? Assign some person to steer the problem guest around, and occupy her?
    Anyway, from the heart, I can say this: Good luck and may you have a long and happy marriage and may your family not freak out or fall apart on account of anything that happens at your wedding!–ct

    • This goes beyond the relative and bride-to-be not being totally fond of each other. The relative has been nothing but pushy, a braggart, and has showed no concern as to the marital status of the men she flirts with.
      Sure an innocent flirt is allowable with a married person of either sex. But it appears this “alpha female” craves being the center of attention. And on a wedding day, there is only one person who it’s all about and it’s not the relative.
      I say it’s time to turn the tables. If she can’t summon the courage to uninvite her outright, call her and say oh so sweetly, we’ve had a room change at our reception venue. We need to cut the guest list. We’re so sorry. We’ll be in touch after the honeymoon. And then block her phone number on your cell and delete her e-mail address. She needs to let her mother know that under no circumstances is she to say anything to this woman about the real reason she was uninvited.
      After the wedding Cary your advice could be helpful when their paths cross at family gatherings. As for a wedding handler, perhaps the groom has a single friend who wouldn’t mind spending time at the table near the band with free booze and a boorish flirt.

    • LW gave much detail about her relative’s transgressions, her crossing of boundaries. LW took careful notes. This person will be hard to ignore, for sure. But try what Cary suggests. A lot of us learn this lesson the hard way, letting wrong behavior claim our time and attention Maybe the wedding day is too important to take the risk. May the bride and groom claim their day in spite of obstacles–good practice for a long happy life together.

    • I suspect she is a sister as well, because there’s no way to get rid of or avoid her then. IF it was a cousin, who cares so much.

  • I agree with the comments here. Uninvite her. You’re a grown woman and this is supposed to be the happiest day of your life. No need to have someone there who will rain on your parade.
    But if you find you cannot bring yourself to uninvite her, make sure you seat her at the table closest to the band or DJ’s speakers. And realize how pitiful her inner life must be if she must make such a fuss about her outer life. You’re marrying the man you love and he loves you too. Follow Mr. T’s advice on this one: Pity the fool.

  • Cary, I have to disagree. You said, “Do not attempt to take the attention that should rightly be yours. Let it go.”

    Having been in a situation similar to Upstaged at my own wedding, she will regret for a long time if another woman gets what should have been hers on that one day of days. She should dis-invite this person or she should let the person know immediately that she is there on sufferance and will be asked to leave the moment the bride finds her behavior objectionable.

    Although my former best friend tried to upstage me and an old lover crashed the reception, I handled them both firmly. She was told to dial it down and he was told in no uncertain terms to get the hell out. Refusal to engage ain’t gonna cut the mustard here.

    Now, for the privilege of reading your article and writing my own response, I’m going to check out how to work this button, which I prefer to think of as payment for services rendered.

    Jessie

  • I agree. Uninvite her. Never mind the bluntness, just do it. If your mom protests, invoke the blanket the-bride-can-be-as-crazy-as-she-wants clause and say too bad. This is far tougher than trying to learn new psychic skills of disengagement on the day you should be feeling ecstatic.

  • This potential wedding guest sounds like someone from a Judd Apatow movie. What I’d like to know is, why can’t she be un-invited? It might be your mother’s insistence, but whose wedding day is it anyway? Maybe just say “Lola, you are a jerk and you embarrass yourself and me. You’re not invited”. From the sounds of things, she will just shrug and move on. I would urge the bride, stand up for yourself. If not now, when?

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